I do so hope they're not primarily aiming for the little kids again. They found out the last time that that was a mistake. As the seasons progressed, the stories (not to mention the accompanying commercials) were obviously geared to an older audience. Personally, I think they ought to start aiming for that to start with. It never was a show that had a lot of little-kid appeal. (Or was that mom-appeal, in terms of allowing them to watch it?)

<RANT>F*** that aiming for little kids garbage. You tell an intelligent story and kids will watch it. Scariest thing I ever witnessed was me and my sister going to see Iron Giant in theaters. If you seen it, you know this is not your typical Disney movie. Violence, no singing! (I know someone was gasping in horror about that one.) The theater was doing a birthday party for what looked like a buch of 5-year-olds with no parents. My sis and I sighed and said we'd come back to get whatever we missed due to their bad behavior.

THEY shutted up, sat down, and WATCHED!

It proved to me that dumbing down to kids just encourages all this low level intelligence behaviors we see in them. Give 'em something to think about.</RANT>

Oh and if you keep scrolling through the bikermicetv.com site, you see the real reason why Throttle's bike was changed. Nightshade's bike is black "and we can't let the kids get confused." <RESTART ABOVE RANT></RANT>

At this rate, I don't think anyone will blame anyone else who wants to just blindfold themselves and listen to the show like a radio show. Maybe we should start a sticky thread, so everyone can yell about the looks in the same place.

I've already been on that bent about stupid kid cartoons (which was tied in with why I hate them), and it was pretty much what KLC said but a lot less concise.

Assuming kids are stupid and setting them up with boring idiotic storylines sets them up to be...stupid. Ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?

Besides, I'll hazard a guess that Throttle and Nightshade (and now I'm confused coz I have a character in a BM fic called Nightshade) aren't identical twins and their bikes also look different. Last I checked, kids were good at spotting different objects, even if they are the same colour. My almost-2yo can tell the difference between the square and the parallelogram and the circle and oval in his shape sorter toy, and they're ALL YELLOW.

As for our friend Stoker, well the only thing I don't like is the fact he looks like he's had his face rammed into the back of a truck. And there's no way he'll achieve prehensility with that tail. Aside that I have no problems with his agedness. Firstly, I have no idea how old he was meant to be. Secondly, it makes more sense if you have the odd older figure kicking around the place. Having everyone in the same age bracket is a fairly unrealistic scenario, and I prefer something believable over pandering to fans or targeting an age group P

I'll have to agree that it does tend to be mothers shrieking "WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!" at the merest hint of...well...anything that they might construe as possibly offensive, whether it's OMG SOMEONE'S BLEEDING to that's too violent coz someone punched someone else (we'll ignore the fact that most of these people are proponents of Tom and Jerry which is extremely violent) etc. I don't let my son watch most kids' shows coz I'm worried they'll rot his brain. He watches movies with us P

Hey everybody. Been awhile since i posted here, but here i am now anyway.

After seeing a clip of the new show that Stormy sent me, (Stoker's deranged or mutated or something in the clip, but even that gave me a better idea of the look of his character) I think the pic on the site was just...bad.
Let's all assume that in actually animation, he looks better.

I'm really trying to get used to these designs. But really I think that they tried to fix something that wasn't broken. So what if the Mice looked like they're on steriods? How many other super heroes look like that and no one complains?

As for the kiddie angle, we might all be surprised. Like the original show, it may have started out geared towards one type of auidence, but eventually it changed towards another.
Surely this couldn't have gone unnoticed. Also understand, that despite the new influx of anime into the US (I can't speak for the UK, but I assume you guys have been bombarded by it too) most people still think animation should be geared towards children.
I'm not saying i agree with this policy at all. Animation is an ART-FORM, it shouldn't be only for kids. It should be for everyone.
This is one of the things I LIKE about anime, is there are show strictly for children, and shows for adults, and all age-groups inbetween. It's not thrown into a narrow mind-frame.

Despite the fact that i think Stoke DOES look like an old hippie, I'm hoping he'll improve. And that the story line will make me forget how much i miss the old designs.
Other than that, all I can do is draw himself. Cause I is good at that. ;)

I don't mind them getting trimmed a bit, they were a little too big even in the first series, but I think they shaved just a little too much off. ;)

And: Stoker was always old. Even in the old series he was supposed to be older, wasn't he?

Kishi on the whole trimming too much off thing, on Stoker, probably ;) Throttle and Vinnie look about right to me, and if they trimmed anything off Modo they would have had to make him shorter.

Capt. Terra I never got to see Caveat Mentor, so all the Stoker I got was OUTM. Besides

a) they're probably trying to roll with current trends. Back when BMFM first came out everyone (but me it seems) was into bodybuilders on steroids. These days it's all slim animesque figures.

b) they're either using different artists or the styles of the original artists has changed a lot (as it will do over the years). Considering the promo pics though I'm thinking different artists P

So I think it was less a case of fixing a perceived brokenness or lack thereof and more rolling and adapting. The hardest thing with remakes or continuations like this is equally the need to appeal to the old fans and attract some new ones. I don't know a lot of people that are fond of the steroided look (even the Marvel and DC superheroes have slimmed down over the years, anything released in the last five years have more vaguely realistic or at least anime proportions rather than the stock standard steroided bodybuilder look).

I don't know if anyone's noticed yet or not, but Stoker's hair in the new series looks to be dark brown. This, in and of itself, isn't anythiing surprising, but Stoker's hair is suppose to be lighter, as it had gotten so with age.

In fact, in comparing the new Stoker with the orginal, the orginal Stoker's hair is a light tan --even lighter than Throttle's fur, and without the gold tint to it.

So, do you think Stoker's been using Hair Color for Men? (or whatever it's called...)

Without wanting to poke Criterion about it, I think using pictures from the actual episodes for their website would improve already a lot. Somehow that would look better then the ones they used now.

Perhaps pre-episode drawings?

But Stoker, as I said before, looks just fine to me :o

:lol: *ROTFLOL* I'll be damned if he does give in to such tempations XD
But to be honest, I don't mind that his hair had changed brown again in the new series, but what I mind most is they way they designed him (as well as the other martian mice characters).
Come to think of it, I notice that some of the Catatonians are muscled ((besides Cataclysm, I mean)), since I watched the new trailer of the bros on Saturn (or Titan in my prespective point of view, as I don't think they're ON Saturn) -which makes me wonder, as I thought all the characters in the show ((besides the main villians : Cataclysm, Rump and Hairball)) are 'stick skinny' like the bros... why can't they ((whoever created the new design)) give them some muscles too, just like they were in the old series. I wouldn't have minded much about the new design if it was that way instead. But then and again, there's still Throttle's lime green bike that I've to (still) deal with... ugh! *twitch* Honestly that bike is a pain in my eyes.

Ah, there goes my rants again...

~Storm