Hey there Criterion guys!
I was wondering if the old episodes of BMFM will be put into dvd box sets or something. It would be really really awesome if that happened.
http://www.petitiononline.com/bikermfm/petition.html The petition (started by myself a while ago) has almost 1500 signatures on it.
Since BMFM is so international, a few years ago we decided that a few special features would be nice, like: include Finnish and Dutch as language options; definitely interviews with Tom Tataranowicz, Rick Ungar, Bob and Susan Forward, and the voice actors; perhaps a 'behind the scenes' sort of thing; picture gallery of the characters and their voice actors; and definitely the few episodes that were produced, but never aired of season 4.
I'm sure that we (the forum members) would all be willing to pitch in on a fan gallery sort of thing....'Aqua Teen Hunger Force' had something like that on one of their dvd sets.
As much as this idea is so brilliant and money makey (unless our numbers are that small those responsible just do not care no matter how much clamouring gets done) I'm not sure if they have that kind of power (or one would presume it was done or in the works already).
It can't hurt to bring it up. Sometimes it's just getting the right person to take notice.
Definitely bring it up, my comment was more a theoretical explanation for why it hasn't been done yet :) I would very much like for the right person to note and maybe even act.
I doubt Criterion can do that much about. They ofcourse have more resources no doubt, but they don't own the old series copyright things. That lays with Disney for what I know (and Criterion).
I've seen your ideas for it a while ago and it looked cool and all. But I'll support this nevertheless.
Copyright. One big hell.
They COULD always talk to Disney about it though. FOR EXAMPLE: If you ever watched 'Twin Peaks', you may know that one season was done by paramount and the other season (only two seasons) was done by colombia. I'm pretty sure it was those two companies. Anyway, the first season has been out on DVD for a long time, but the other company was being stubborn and ONLY released the second season a few months ago. The series aired in the early '90s (pre-dating 'X-Files'). So, the creator/director of the show David Lynch had to approach the second season company.
I'd really like this to happen! Many old cartoons have been getting the DVD Set threatment lately. As far as I know BMFM season 1 is released, but only in the UK, and has the Jetix logo on the cover, so I guess it's a Disney release.
Actually, if you go to play.uk (the store site) they do have the original series on DVD. I tried to buy some, but apparently they are only available in the UK. (Dammit, stuck here in the States and can't buy any!!) They were on sale for less that 20, if i remember correctly. Here's hoping someone can get them and burn me a copy.
Way to get the ball rolling... Same here for me inuficcrzy I tried to order it online as well and didn't realize till it was almost too late that delivery doesn't extend to the states.
Here's a question for anyone stateside who did get the Season 1 dvd release... Did they make any changes to it, like edits? I'm hearing that they did, which is a bit upsetting, but I can't confirm.
And I want Seasons 2 and 3 and 2006... Please! Anyone! ^^;
They cut the "too violent" scenes. It's best if you just go with the VHS's, the quality is crappy compared to DVD but you get it *all* and not just *some* of the episodes. (keep a eye on Youtube and eBay for second/third season episodes. 47, 49 and 28 have already been uploaded on Youtube. you're also in luck if you know how to use torrents, there are some episodes in danish [dutch?] on the Pirate Bay, as well as five in english. otherwise... you should invest in learning a new language [finnish and german are your best bets!] so you can watch the other-language episodes.)
Actually I think Jetix did those editings because of timing issues, not censorship. Each episode has been cut to approximately 19 minutes instead of 22.
And here is the list of those etitings for the first season I made with a frame-by-frame comparation of the old and new editions.
The Timecodes are indicated for the PAL version of video.
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Season 1
01 (01) Rock and Ride!
- 00:01:35,24 - 00:02:32,11
Intro.
- 00:06:26,02 - 00:06:29,09
Charley pushes a lever to press Greasepit to garage ceiling with car lift.
- 00:08:18,06 - 00:08:37,12
Right after the bros. have thrown Greasepit out of Charley's garage, Vinnie and Modo sing 'Duke of oil' tune while Throttle tries to stop them saying they're off-key.
- 00:10:27,06 - 00:10:27,06
One black frame has been deleted in the scene change sequence.
- 00:14:06,13 - 00:14:20,09
Charley, being in Karbunkle's 'mousetrap', tries to warn bros. about a trap - Greasepit stops her mouth. Right after that the bros. jump out of garage window on their bikes.
- 00:14:35,22 - 00:14:37,02
A number of frames with Charley's face has been deleted.
- 00:19:29,21 - 00:19:56,00
Modo and Vinnie deal shortly with Limburger's goons.
02 (02) The Reeking Reign of the Head Cheese (part 1)
- 00:00:59,03 - 00:01:55,14
Intro.
- 00:04:18,13 - 00:04:19,07
Fade in effect has been applied to the frames.
- 00:04:19,13 - 00:06:22,17
Limburger enters his office, puts on a new 'Limburger suit' and then talks to High Chairman Camambert and performs traditional plutarkian greetings using his videophone.
- 00:06:22,18 - 00:06:23,19
Fade out effect has been applied to the frames.
03 (03) The Reeking Reign of the Head Cheese (part 2)
- 00:00:02,02 - 00:00:02,03
Film editor's bug: timecode present on 2 frames.
- 00:03:06,14 - 00:04:03,17
Intro.
- 00:09:53,08 - 00:10:13,18
Karbunkle fails to start his digging machine due to a short cable length, so he uses Mutant Fred to connect power.
- 00:10:44,06 - 00:10:45,07
Limburger shoots from a laser gun out of digging machine window.
- 00:12:00,01 - 00:12:08,11
Karbunkle increases machine's power - Fred begins to glow brighter.
- 00:16:18,15 - 00:16:44,07
A major part of Tunnel Rat's rush after the mice has been deleted.
- 00:18:14,22 - 00:18:22,14
Modo and Throttle start digging machine using Mutant Fred once more.
- 00:19:59,04 - 00:20:08,04
After the mayor has given the bros. their 'reward' - a short episode has been deleted: Limburger and Karbunkle try to start up a car, charging it's accumulator from highly electrified Mutant Fred - at this time Limburger is teleported to Lord Camambert's spaceship.
04 (04) We Don't Need No Stinkin' City
- 00:02:11,22 - 00:03:09,05
Intro.
- 00:07:50,04 - 00:08:20,20
Charley is knocked down by passing by Loogey brothers while trying to buy a box of hot-dogs for the bros.
- 00:10:44,24 - 00:10:46,06
Charley is falling down from a big height to Quigley field - fade in effect has been applied to the frames.
- 00:10:44,07 - 00:10:46,12
A number of dark frames has been deleted in a scene change sequence.
- 00:16:24,23 - 00:17:34,21
Biker Mice follow Limburger's stinking machine. Vinnie moves around jumping from truck to truck on his bike.
05 (05) A Mouse and His Motorcycle
- 00:02:14,11 - 00:03:11,10
Intro.
- 00:09:41,05 - 00:09:42,03
Karbunkle traps Vinnie and Thottle into the press - a number of black frames is cut-off.
- 00:12:25,19 - 00:12:26,01
Modo's bike fires a rocket to the goons who are trying to catch it with a net - they fly into a wall and the rocket explodes - several frames with explosion FX have been deleted
- 00:16:55,05 - 00:17:06,18
When Vinnie bursts into Limburger's tower on his bike using Charley's accelerator - an episode between the moments he turns on the accelerator and breaks through the window has been deleted.
- 00:17:37,00 - 00:17:41,11
Charley watches the thrown off by Vinnie accelerator explode.
06 (06) Test of Friendship
- 00:02:11,22 - 00:03:08,14
Intro.
- 00:08:12,14 - 00:08:14,00
Evil Eye hypnotizes a woman inside an office - an episode when she throws her boss out of a window has been deleted.
- 00:12:01,00 - 00:12:02,19
Evil Eye hypnotizes the biker mice - a small fragment when they are arguing has been deleted.
- 00:18:58,22 - 00:20:00,12
A fragment when all the villains are arguing with each other followed by an episode when the bros decide to use Karbunkle's portable teleporter.
07 (07) The Masked Motorcyclist
- 00:02:18,05 - 00:03:16,04
Intro.
- 00:06:05,07 - 00:06:27,04
An episode when Limburger shows his discontent to Greasepit and then goes to Karbunkle's lab.
- 00:15:30,19 - 00:16:19,21
An episode when the bros talk about the masked motorcyclist playing chinese draughts.
08 (08) The Pits
- 00:02:18,21 - 00:03:17,01
Intro.
- 00:09:21,06 - 00:09:21,14
Several black frams have been deleted in the scene change sequence.
- 00:09:21,15 - 00:09:22,00
Fade out effect has been applied to the frames.
- 00:10:49,07 - 00:10:49,18
Fade in effect has been applied to the frames.
- 00:10:49,19 - 00:12:17,14
An episode when Modo and Throttle are working at Pit Boss's stone quarry and try start an unsuccessful riot.
- 00:12:17,15 - 00:12:18,00
Fade out effect has been applied to the frames.
09 (09) Road Ravens
- 00:02:10,19 - 00:03:09,01
Intro.
- 00:10:19,24 - 00:12:35,11
Episodes when Throttle fights with the Road Ravens band and when Vinnie and Modo write on each other's plaster casts have been deleted.
- 00:12:35,12 - 00:12:35,20
Fade out effect has been applied to the frames.
10 (10) A Scent, a Memory, a Far Distant Cheese
- 00:02:49,19 - 00:03:47,00
Intro.
- 00:04:32,16 - 00:04:39,17
An episode when Karbunkle runs away from rocket explosions made by the mice.
11 (11) Steelfinger
- 00:02:32,01 - 00:03:32,19
Intro.
- 00:19:17,06 - 00:19:19,03
Modo throws Limburger and Karbunkle on a trnsformer - a small fragment with electrical FX has been deleted.
- 00:19:20,16 - 00:19:20,21
Some more FX have been deleted.
12 (12) Chill Zone
Nothing edited =)
13 (13) Hard Rock
- 00:01:37,14 - 00:01:41,09
An episode of a crossfire between the mice and the Limburger's goons.
- 00:02:22,23 - 00:02:23,07
Fade in effect has been applied to the frames.
- 00:02:23,08 - 00:03:21,04
Intro.
- 00:03:30,15 - 00:03:31,00
Several black frams have been deleted in the scene change sequence.
- 00:06:03,20 - 00:06:13,05
A fragment with some visual effects of Karbunkle's transporter at work has been deleted.
- 00:08:56,00 - 00:08:59,00
Some FX of Hard Rock shooting have been deleted.
- 00:09:31,14 - 00:09:31,15
Two black frames have been deleted.
- 00:18:33,03 - 00:19:19,09
The mice direct the train to Limburger's tower while singing a cool song (The "Midnight Special" tune).
see? toldja, they shot it to hades :(
Hrmmm... I wonder how much it would actually cost to buy the rights, the material both original and restored, and re-release it without any edit... More than I make as a sec. guard, that's for sure... But I do wonder...
it'll take more than money... disney ownes the original BMFM rights. They're well.. XD ever see the simpsons?
Yeah, and the Dis Biz doesn't let go of anything without a fight... **sighs**
I got BMFM on DVD from Ebay, just waiting for the one I ordered to come in the mail. Stupid Postal Service! May as well live in the days of the Pony Express!
How did Disney get the Biker Mice rights? This is the first time I've ever heard of them having the rights to Biker Mice from Mars.
Disney bought Marvel. Marvel owns- owned the rights. Qid pro quo or something like that.
I think it's more cat pro quo... What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine... ^^;
Yeah, that's it! :D
Speaking of comic companies- I have all three issues of the Biker Mice comic on my computer. And I didn't pay anything for them :) Want?
lol YES! XD
Okay, uh. *taps computer* This will take a little while and a lot of uploading to photobucket. Can you imbed stuff on this forum or is that disabled?
I didn't know Disney owned them -.- now i hate Disney! (sorry Aladdin xD)
So we can't send a post in to Disney and ask them? maybe if we're polite enough xD? and show them how many people who really want to see the original bros' again! or the newer (teenage models, if I may say so!)......
*sigh*
I imagine they would give in eventually, if demand was high enough- for the longest time, another cartoon called SWAT Kats was suffering from the same thing- very little was available on hard copy such as VHS or DVD. Then, just last year, Warner Bros released the entire series on DVD, as well as a host of extras.
Makes you drool just thinking about it, doesn't it?
ooooooooooooh, I hope they'll do the same to the Biker Mice!!! :D I'm in love with the serie xD even though my Mom thiks I'm too old for that -.-
Droll? ... no no that's too little hehe :)!
I would faint and THEN droll on the floor, having nice dreams about the DVD boxes! :)
Personally, I think I'd sacrifice some of the dumber episodes (Academy of Hard Knocks, for one) just to see the character sheets. I found a early cel of Modo, and I must say .. I'm glad *that* wasn't the final design.
Omg! You have a link? :p
i just also put mine name on to the list!I really,really want the dvd's.I hope so that will listing to the 2336 fans that already signed up.
Hear hear! I'm totally in for this one! Make it seasons 1-3 + whole set of 2006 and you'll have me stalking in front of the store a whole night waiting for the publishing morning.
About the languages:
I love listening them in english as well as in the finnish (notice, in the old dubs, not new re-mastered versions.... they switch voice actors in middle of scenes to tidy up things)
Dubbs: English, Finnish, Dutch
Subs: Finnish, Dutch, Swedish (finnish markets requires subs in both swe&fin)
Extra suggestions:
- maybe some original arts and sketches
- interviews (voice actors, creators)
- clip collections of the songs :D
- Character bios (with ages, etc basic figures, maybe a LITTLE bit of background info (Modo's family, Karbunkle - human or alien? .....)
Like the monk said for Buddha, make it one with everything