Now, I like Charley. Honestly, I do, from what I've seen of the first season and what I've read on Stoker's excellent site. She is something of a rarity; a female character that was intelligent and CLOTHED, plus her hinted romance with a male main character is established fairly early on and doesn't usually get in the way of the plot
Yet I see a lot of fans dislike her or outright hate her. To be honest? I think it's pure jealousy. Not only does she have Vinnie's attention (for Vinnie fans) she has the attention of the other mice (non-romantically, but it could annoy Throttle fans at that scene in Evil Eye Weevil where he reassures her and Road Ravens when they gatecrash the gang, plus Modo is always courteous to her since he's been raised as a gentlemouse), AND she takes part in their adventures most of the time, even to the degree of wanted Sue-ism in the Masked Motorcyclist
I honestly love Charley. She doesn't take the guys' nonsense lightly, and even backtalks them. Considering she's an average-heighted human female and they are all 6+ tall (from character sheets, isn't Vinnie something like 6'1 as the smallest, while Modo is near or at 7'0 as the tallest of the mice?) and heavily muscled, it's incredibly ballsy thing for her to do. Modo could snap her in half like a twig in terms of strength
So, yeah. Tell me your thoughts!
I am also a big charley fan!mine favourite pairing is always charley/vinnie.It shocked me to find out that a lot of fans want to see throttle/charley.That frustrate me a lot.I believe Charley belongs to vinnie and i never saw the episode with Harley but i hope she doesn't come between vinnie and charley.And i also think that most girls hate her because of jealousy,of the reason you describes.
The new series episode with Harley? Gah. It's one of those episodes, the kind you need ~therapy~ to forget. As far as I'm concerned, it is not, never has been and never will be canon. It's a standalone catastrophe.
yeah i mean those oberon.i hear from a lot of people that it's awful.On youtube there is a clip with the song of Rhianna on it.And so far i can see it looks horrible.She totaly lost it,she works togehter with those rats.
And they left the possibility of her returning, too, which is just the icing on the crap cupcake. I mean, you can wreck a character all you like, but for the love of all that's good, when you make something like this make sure there is no way it could happen AGAIN.
I was referred to that episode by someone on the TGWTG website when talking about BMFM (spawned from Linkara's review of a TMNT vs. Archie comic, of all things). As soon as Harley opened her mouth and a single note came out, I shut off the browser. I REALLY couldn't face that
I know exactly how you feel. D:
With regards to Carbine, I haven't seen the later episodes of the series (the only series I've seen in full is series one, and I'm disturbed by the sight of some future episodes loosening Limburger from smooth Mafia-like string-puller to, well, buffoon, but I digress) but from what I HAVE seen on Once Upon a Time on Mars (never watched it all the way through, disturbs me) she rubs me up the wrong way
Not only is she a love interest to Throttle that I never learned about until an adult - Throttle was my favourite character damnit, I have a hard enough time seeing him without glasses - but she is an all-or-nothing cold-hearted bitch. I KNOW the war has devastated everything and she has this 'huge burden' placed on her shoulders, but LIGHTEN THE HELL UP. You are NOT the only person that has seen death and destruction and loss of family. DO remember everyone else has too! And for the love of God, what head injury makes you think the bros are traitors?! Yes, traitors come in all shapes and sizes, but surely you aren't stupid enough to fall for ONE doctored video and the mouth of your own enemy?
EXACTLY. If she didn't even bother to check and see if the video WAS doctored (and surely Mice, having spaceship capabilities, know how to check for video tampering, right? Right?!) then she deserves her crap-tastic remake.
Wauw you two can read mine mind^_^.But i think Carbine also needs Throttle to slow her sometimes down.Just like vinnie needs Charley.But sometimes i just wanne pul Carbine out off the tv and smake her in the face to get her feet back onto the ground.She has problems of showing her emotion.
*Oberon very nice avatar*
Carbine and Throttle could indeed marry and survive to old age together, if Throttle would just grow some fragging balls and toss her through a window or something the next time she pulls a Back-to-Mars-like mistake again. That's something I'd like to see in the new series- it'd almost make up for the horror of "Turf Wars"! :D
Do we ever see Carbine's reaction to Charley? Both are headstrong women but what she'd make of a Martian having feelings for a human is interesting (unless it doesn't fit in her bubble of 'war' of course)
Carbine and Charley are cool- not enemies, not best buds, and they work together well enough. I doubt Carbine would flip out if, say, Vinnie and Charley got together.
To be honest it's not really Carbine's business, but it does raise interesting questions about human interest in Plutarkian affairs (i.e. thanks to the Mice Charley now has all of Limburgers numbers but most humans seem to consider him either a smooth businessman or a tailhole). Then again, humans never believe very much and Charley scarcely believed what she was seeing when all three Biker Mice turned up and kicked Greasepit into next year
Vinnie and Charley would only really matter to Carbine if somehow Charley lost every single braincell she had and was taken over by a Limburger fangirl to deliver what little information about Martians she has to the Mafiaoso-wannabe. And even then I doubt Charley knows much about important Martian things since she would only understand about a 5th of what the guys were talking about and wouldn't make a point to remember any of it if she overheard since she understands the concept of privacy
i think Carbine will not have any problems with Vinnie and Charley.she has bigger problems and she (hopeful) knows that she gan trust Charley.nd a good mechanic are rare.
I shudder to think what would happen if Carbine thought Charley was taking Throttle away.
Carbine and Throttle kinda irritate me as a couple, mostly because Throttle is very much into impressing Carbine but she doesn't exactly show she's terribly impressed very often
I honestly don't get the idea behind Charley-Throttle pairings. There's no spark between them and they don't have any qualities that the other would find attractive (it's well established that Charley has a type and Vinnie fits square into that type, although he has a bigger nice and sweet/shy side than any of her previous boyfriends)
I think Charley is both worried and impressed by Vinnie's stunts (okay, that's a very big worried and a very small impressed), and once you start worrying about someone things just take off from there. To me, Throttle and Modo are like affectionate big brothers, (does anyone else just adore how loving Modo is with Charley?) while Vinnie is like that annoying idiot from math class that you grow a crush on despite yourself.
I definitely get the big brother vibe from Throttle and Modo, but moreso from Modo as he has a natural big-brother tendency that's only emphasised with the fact that he actually HAS documented siblings and a niece and nephew to strengthen those character traits. His serious attitude in rounding up a drugged Vinnie and Throttle in OUATIM, plus note the fact that he was the first to break out of Evil Eye Weevil's spell, highlight these qualities
Throttle strikes me as the middle brother that's a tad too serious in a good way; he's the middle ground between Modo's temper and Vinnie's hyperactiveness and the perpetually calm one in situations that would flummux the other two
Vinnie may be hyper but he has a zest for life and a genuine heart that's very hard to fault, and that's probably something Charley is attracted to, as well as the sheer fact that both of them know that Vinnie's over-confident persona is just a front for the much more caring and sensitive mouse underneath.
(And I, as an adult, find it hilarious that he calls everything sweetheart. I think the only person he's NOT called sweetheart is Modo as far as I know, since I definately remember one occation he called Throttle 'sweetheart' XD. It's his equivalent of the US's 'honey/hon', Australia's 'mate' and Scotland's 'pal')
I've seen some of these ThrottlexCharley and I don't get it. To me, it's like sticking Donatello and April from TMNT together (whom also have an overwhelming fanon presence). It doesn't fit in my mind. Even in the ep where Throttle went to infilitrate the Ravens gang (I don't know any of the eps by name, apologies) and she was hanging off him. I see them as more of a sisterxbrother relationship.
Same deal with Modo whom appears to have a great respect for family ideals and Charley herself; always being the one to apologize first in an incident. He wouldn't wanna hurt their relationship due to respect for that. (Although, I'm not entirely opposed to reading a 'what if?' fan fiction in this case)
Ultimately, I'm in Vinnie's corner when it comes to pairing Charley up romantically with one of the mice.
I noticed early on that Charley and Vinnie just bounce off each other very well and I can see them, even in canon, getting together. Uunfortunately, I don't think the censors would allow such a horrid thing to happen :P
In the end, I agree with Kakata's post above. :)
They would have gotten together if the series had lasted longer, according to Rick. Unfortunately there was this annoying thing called Power Rangers that kind of nixed that idea completely... :p
The only reason I don't ship Throttle/Charley is because Throttle/Carbine is canon, and no matter how much I hate Carbine, I always like to stick to canon.
They would have gotten together if the series had lasted longer, according to Rick. Unfortunately there was this annoying thing called Power Rangers that kind of nixed that idea completely... :pThe only reason I don't ship Throttle/Charley is because Throttle/Carbine is canon, and no matter how much I hate Carbine, I always like to stick to canon.
Color me shocked O_O Is there somewhere I can read/watch where that statement was made? 'Cause I'm super curious now. Writers usually avoid humanxanthro relationships ... usually for dumb reasons, so I'm all intrigued now.
I an understand that mind set. I've a bad habit of writing fan fiction catering to the otherwise though (slash.. and otherwise. ehm) when it suits me. But all in good fun. I barely know Carbine, but Throttle seems to adore her and that's good enough for me (even if I can't say I like her yet). He also seems a bit intimidated by her at times. I suspect that's because she's higher rank than him though, huh? Or was it only in the case where the poser-mouse Catalina (sp?) was clinging on him? Uhh.. *catches self topic jacking -_- * Ahem.
Power Rangers was also the death of the Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon (now commonly referred to as SatAM)... :(
Um, shit, lost it.. There's a interview with Rick somewhere, where he says all that shiz- Charley and Vinnie would've gotten together, Modo would've been revealed to have once been married, and there would've been a five-parter titled "The Invasion of Mars". I have no idea where the interview is now, but I'm sure it's on the Internet somewhere.
Once upon a time on the old Unofficial Biker Mice From Mars Fan Club website (bikermice.com) Tom Tataranowicz answered fan questions on the message board (where sadly, you will never get registered now because the website has long since gone stagnant). Hopefully nobody will mind me copying from there since I don't think you can find these answers anywhere else and I don't think there is anyone to seek permission from anymore. I think Vinnie is the only one here who can tell on me anyway...
From the bikermice.com message board:
RE "The Invasion of Mars":
"Posted by Tom Tataranowicz on Thursday, 12 March 1998, at 7:44 p.m."
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""The Invasion of Mars" This would have been a five parter which would lay out the whole backstory of the fall of Mars to the Plutarkians. It would also tell the tale of how our studly Mice became Freedom Fighters, etc. Limburger's life before Mars would also be explored. I wonder if I should mention anything about Modo's wife who was actually...? Nah."
Regarding the Charley and Vinnie thing and more about "The Invasion of Mars" and Modo's wife:
"Posted by Tom Tataranowicz on Tuesday, 17 March 1998, at 3:56 a.m., in response to Re: All about Charley (to Tom Tataranowicz), posted by Lania on Sunday, 15 March 1998, at 10:36 p.m." (Apparently Lania can also tell on me...)
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"THE VINNIE/CHARLEY ACT OF CONSUMATION: I don't know about the laws in other countries, but since beastiality is illegal in the U.S.A., this always proved to be a tricky issue and a bit of a tightrope act. However, this didn't stop my devious little mind from coming up with a clever story which would satisfy the more twitterpated prone of you and slip by the censors and watchdogs of our children's morality.
Yes, they were going to "do it". No, it is probably not in the context you would think of. Yes, they would remember it. No, there would not have been any little mouse people.
However, just as I was going to assign this story to a writer, I thought better of it. Many good series have lost their creative momentum when the tension of unrequited love was undone and characters became intimately involved. Take "Moonlighting" for example. Funny, exciting and sexy when Dave and Maddie bantered. Once they slept together, the show became a snore. Think how much spice "X-Files" would lose if Scully and Mulder did the nasty. So I shelved the idea. Nuff said?
Now I realize that is not the most fulfilling answer I could give you, but I really feel that I made the right decision. Besides, it probably helped me avoid getting fired. There is a reason why I don't want to go into details here which, oddly enough, leads us to the "tale" of:
MODO'S WIFE: As I wrote earlier, this was part of an "Invasion of Mars" multi-parter I was concocting. The story Modo and his wife in this epic would explain, among lots of other things, why Modo hates rats, how Modo became a Freedom Fighter and, of course, why have we never heard anything of this fair mouse before. However, although I had much more worked out, I really think it would be unfair to you for me to put it out for public consumption.
You may hate me for this, but the reason is that in reality they don't exist. By that I mean that we obviously never did Episodes of this or the Vinnie/Charley thing. What that means is that we never went to script on them. These are well worked out ideas, but the scripting process (I frequently had the scripts go to 8 Drafts before being Final. Ask Greg Johnson, he'll give you an earful) helped define ideas to a razor's edge, eliminated bad concepts and brought life to areas not even thought about. And that's what I feel made for the show that has endeared itself to all of you.
Because the stories don't exist in filmic form, I don't feel that I have the right to make them an official part of the BMFM canon. (But, I gotta tell ya ... they woulda been smokin'!)"
Ah, the good ol' days when the series was only freshly cancelled and more people still remembered it.
Shasta
And ohman.. that site IS old school looking, heh
I hate to say it, but I do agree with the whole going through with it would probably have made it go stale. Unrequited, if it was done and there wasn't anything else to hook people in and keep them there.. yea.
Thank you muchly for that. <3
In terms of females on the Biker Mice show? Charley is the one I like best. Not my absolute favorite character (that spot will ALWAYS belong to Modo!) but she is niether Harley, who was absolutely butchered in the new series to the point that my hate for her has even extended to her old series incarnation, and she's most certainly not Carbine, who needs a serious panty unbunching. I realllllllyyyy wish they'd given her more spotlight on the original series, since it's too late now to do it properly.
Maybe strong is what you have left when you use up all your weak. -Unknown
[Oberon], I imagine when you talk to people in real life it is like watching a building fall down. -Nachlader